Time to Come back

paidinfull · Joined: 20 Dec 2010 Posts: 165

(The following was written by @rushputin and due to difficulties posting I offered to help post it here)

Guys, it's time to transition back to the IFL forum.

The factors driving it, and its persistence, have been mitigated.

IronFistLeague.com reliability
This really has been resolved. The site performs much faster, and hasn't crapped out in quite some time. Chris K's put a lot of effort into pulling it back together, and it's there.

We no longer need to be on IFLGaming.com because IronFistLeague.com is unstable.

Furthermore, it's my professional opinion that IFLGaming.com is a terrible forum. Bizhat twigs out my browser security extensions (Chrome really doesn't think it's a good idea for me to view it). The styles used are rough on eyes.

Most importantly, it doesn't work. How I've managed to squeeze a few posts to it is beyond me because, every time I try to post something that actually matters... I can't. It behaves as if the Submit button is the Preview button... and that the Preview button is also the Preview button.

It might appear that I haven't been participating in the Escalation League... not so. I'm just not able to report my games reliably.

So: if IronFistLeague.com is significantly more stable than IFLGaming.com, who needs it?

Club Drama

As of this post, the "Do we start our own club?" poll is incredibly inconclusive. Of the 42 members registered out of GPC, less than half (19) have even participated in the poll. Of those that have participated, less than half of them (9) voted to leave and start their own club (as opposed to the 7 who voted for the chapter approach and 3 who voted "Wait and see").

That's 21% of the membership voting to boogie. A far, far cry from unanimous.

The issues we've been having with the GPW contingent have been brought up. There doesn't appear to be a whole lot of debate about them; some defensiveness on the part of a couple of folks, but no outright dismissal.

Furthermore, as Casey's done an excellent job of articulating, we need to stop pointing fingers (because, really, it's not as if we don't have our own share of internet jackasses) and start pretending to be adults.

It's also crucial to make clear: in the history of GPW forum jackassery, it's only a small number of their members that have caused heartburn on the forum. Of all 35 members registered at GPW, only three of them (plus a member registered at GV) who kicked up a fuss.

Doug's numbers show that concerns about GPW favoritism when it comes to funds and events aren't really substantiated. The proposed chapter structure will provide us with increased autonomy and a guarantee that they'll never be the case. Chapter-specific forums (such as the one I'm posting this to on IronFistLeague.com) will do a great job of giving us a space to discuss things without disruption. Furthermore, there are a lot of additional things Chris K can do to make the site support different chapters in a more independent fashion (though he, rightly, isn't going to even think about going forward with them, as long as there's the second forum).

So: if the grievances against GPW are either unsubstantiated or mitigated by the chapter structure, what's the problem? Only a fraction of the membership has actually expressed an interest in leaving.

It's time to shutter this forum and transition back to IronFistLeague.com. It's no longer needed, from a stability perspective or from an independence perspective.

Davall · Nerd Rager! Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 1925

Richard and I had a discussion back and forth on this topic on the other forum. If you wish to read it in whole, feel free to hit the other site and check it out. It basically covers whether the vote that was taken here was valid or not.

Basically, you folks do whatever you want. No one has a right to tell you what forum you MUST use. This site is not going away anytime soon, at a bare minimum until a decision is made. Even then, the name may change, but I have a feeling that this site will remain for the use of anyone who plays at Chantilly.

We still haven't decided as a group what to do about this situation and therefore the idea we must passively go back back to the other site is, well, laughable. The vote that was taken, as it stands now, favors a new gaming group.

Whether that happens, who knows. But there is no reason to relocate until we decide what to do (unless enough individual members decide to do so). The important thing to understand is, WE will decide what WE want to do. Once that goes down, well, then WE will know how to handle it.

To paraphrase Bill, " Drama, Drama... Ooo! Something shiny!"

paidinfull · Joined: 20 Dec 2010 Posts: 165

I was simply posting what Rich had wrote, but whom was having difficulty posting it here.

In response to your post which is directed at me,
I have restricted my own access to the Chantilly Sub-forum to preserve the integrity of that discussion space. It was conveyed to me that 'privacy' was something of importance to the membership in Chantilly. As such, out of respect for my fellow IFL "brothers", I do not feel that it is appropriate for me to go into that sub-forum and read your exchange, (even though I live mere minutes from GPC, play there, and will be there often now.), as I am not of the "IFL Chantilly Chapter" (again, even though the Chapter specifics are not ironed out)

At no point in time have I stated that I feel anyone should be forced to use Ironfistleague.com as their message board. Ironfistleague.com belongs to its members, that includes yourself and every other IFL member on these boards.

We are all adults and it is not my desire or intent to force anyone to do something against their will. Especially when it revolves around a fun past time. Why should I? If you do not want to be a friend or an IFL "brother" to me, who am I to make you?

Your choice of wording in "you folks" is unfortunate and regrettable, as right now we are all IFL are we not? Hence the use of IFL in the url when this site was registered. If we were not one and the same... why IFL? Why not something entirely different/separate, like Spider Pigs, (bill) or Gobsmashas, or whatever? How is this the IFL if it doesn't follow the IFL Charter, it's procedures and processes? What separates this site and group from other non-IFL gaming clubs. Truthfully, if there is an issue with the IFL Charter, that change is best addressed and dealt with from within, for the betterment of all its members.

From where I am sitting, I have never seen a "you" and "I", but an us. As we are the IFL and we are bound by the Charter when we became IFL members. I am still confused by the desire to alienate, exclude and obfuscate friends and fellow IFL members. What can possibly be gained from that?

Davall · Nerd Rager! Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 1925

The you folks was aimed at the Chantilly people who are the regulars. I was not directing any comments at you, Chris. None. Don't try to read more into it that what is actually there. If people do not read the other site and only see that post, they may thing something has been decided. Which it hasn't, short of at minimum a new chapter, but the possibility of a new club is in the lead.

As to all of us being IFL, no, we are not. There are several who have made it quite clear that they will not be part of the IFL any longer. At the time this site was put up, yes we were. But posts that were made between then and now have changed hearts and minds.

The fact that some people still can not seem to understand this is a little disheartening. It has been explained, multiple times, but people want to put their fingers in their ears and hum.

If the group decides to split, this site will change from iflgaming.com. Trust me, if people are willing to go to the lengths of making an entirely new club, they probably don't want the baggage that would be associated with the IFL brand.

And yet again, claiming that there was some grand scheme to alienate or exclude anyone is a bald face falsehood. Put down the Kool Aid. You may not be happy with the idea of this site because of the work you put into the other, but don't let it try to rewrite history.

As long as politics are left at the door, anyone is welcome to play at Chantilly. There has NEVER been any attempt to exclude people. The repeated claims to the contrary are total, 100% Bull!@#$. If someone wants to be part of the IFL, Kudos to them, that's their prerogative regardless of a new club or not, and yet the non IFL people will still welcome them as friends and colleagues, as we have done all along.

Corey · Clanrat Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 832

I am sorry that Rush has difficulties posting, however to my knowledge he is in the minority, if not the only person to have made it public, to have any posting issues with this forum. And for a site that is "not working" (and i'm not getting defensive here, really), it has worked just about flawlessly while the ironfistleague.com site was having problems. Could be wrong though.

Oh, and to stay on topic, I know you've been trying to help my Arhain account, but I tried logging in today after it was apparently fixed. Once again I can't use that account, and oddly enough the Corey account is still live.

Corey · Clanrat Joined: 29 Nov 2010 Posts: 832

Hah, either you read that post and immediately fixed something, or I am secretely hated by teh interwebz, and it decides randomly not to log me into the site, because just a few hours ago it hated me, and now i'm able to log into the Arhain account.

paidinfull · Joined: 20 Dec 2010 Posts: 165