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| akylius wrote: | | Can I shoot your spider if I can see it Bill? |
Your cannon shot will have be on the spider not in front of it if there is unit of goblins anywhere in front of it.
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Just position it in front of the blocking unit. A cannonball will still bounce and then go through units (most). Some people who get that picky, just like to argue anyway. 
But in either case, I just think my opinions on this event became mute anyway. I just received a letter for intent for a very large contract that will take up my time Mon-Sat. So, regretfully, I won't be seen much at any event or locale until Nov. 
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Skipschnit wrote: | Just position it in front of the blocking unit. A cannonball will still bounce and then go through units (most). Some people who get that picky, just like to argue anyway.
But in either case, I just think my opinions on this event became mute anyway. I just received a letter for intent for a very large contract that will take up my time Mon-Sat. So, regretfully, I won't be seen much at any event or locale until Nov. |
Well there goes my ride, so now I will not be there in any case.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Play ogres
Their cannons can see anything
Nobblers can block all enemy war machines
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Yeah, it sucks.
Back to the cannons....I don't believe that you have to see the ground in order to fire the cannon. I think that they chose the wrong words in describing the firing of cannons. I believe they were trying to use "Arc of Sight". On page 112, under "Choose Target" it says, "Nominate a point within the war machine's line of sight and that is not outside the cannon's maximum range. Your target does not have to be an enemy model; it can be a point on the ground if you wish. Remember that war machines are allowed to pivot in the movement phase, the better to bring your chosen target into the weapon's line of sight."
So, you can nominate a model as your "hit" point. You can't change a model's "line of sight" by pivoting it since the plane will stay the same to the table top, but you can change the arc of sight by pivoting the model. Choose the ground, only if you wish. To lie "within" the line of sight, just seems to me to be within the model's arc of sight. This is one of those RAI vs. RAW. 
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| Skipschnit wrote: | Yeah, it sucks.
Back to the cannons....I don't believe that you have to see the ground in order to fire the cannon. I think that they chose the wrong words in describing the firing of cannons. I believe they were trying to use "Arc of Sight". On page 112, under "Choose Target" it says, "Nominate a point within the war machine's line of sight and that is not outside the cannon's maximum range. Your target does not have to be an enemy model; it can be a point on the ground if you wish. Remember that war machines are allowed to pivot in the movement phase, the better to bring your chosen target into the weapon's line of sight."
So, you can nominate a model as your "hit" point. You can't change a model's "line of sight" by pivoting it since the plane will stay the same to the table top, but you can change the arc of sight by pivoting the model. Choose the ground, only if you wish. To lie "within" the line of sight, just seems to me to be within the model's arc of sight. This is one of those RAI vs. RAW. |
This is ok if you use the REAL rules. But using levels makes no sense with this, they need 17 pages of FAQ for their rule change.
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Cannons need to either be able to see the spot on the ground (the infamous "10" from the back of the Hydra") or a model that is on said spot on the ground at which you want to aim.
It's often overlooked, but pretty simple.
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If you need a ride Bill I can oblige.
If you can see it over the level one inf you can still shot it or magic it.
Non issue mostly. You just cannot see thru the intervening units legs to get a line of site.
level 1 only blocks a level 1 from seeing a level 1 behind them.
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Makes me glad I have shelved empire for a while lol
Vampires all the way baby.
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I bought a bunch of fell bats and bat swarms for my vamp army for Blob's and now....I feel I wasted my money.  Beware Dragons! They will be like mosquitos in Dragon Wars!
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| Skipschnit wrote: | | I bought a bunch of fell bats and bat swarms for my vamp army for Blob's and now....I feel I wasted my money. Beware Dragons! They will be like mosquitos in Dragon Wars! |
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The way I see it, it doesn't affect canons at all. It does affect bolt throwers and units of bowmen and the like.
And Bill, I also can give you a ride to Blobs, practically drive by your house anyway. If you can stand being in the car with me that long  I also have a truck, so plenty of room for the wheelchair and your army stuff 
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trolls in front of spider would give some protection... Spider trolls? You can paint some Trolls to look like Spiderman and call it war paint. 
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| Kaptain_Khaos wrote: | | trolls in front of spider would give some protection... Spider trolls? You can paint some Trolls to look like Spiderman and call it war paint. |
That would be a great unit to shield the spiders or any unit from cannon fire. The regen would help protect from all except the special dwarf cannons with flaming runes.
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| Kaptain_Khaos wrote: | | trolls in front of spider would give some protection... Spider trolls? You can paint some Trolls to look like Spiderman and call it war paint. |
Can't hear you lalalalalala
Damn it Mark that's an awesome idea.
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Still not sure if the hip can handle the entire day, but thanks for ride offers Harry and Joey.
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You know..there are some starving kids in Ethopia who would love to play warhammer and you might back out because of a hip replacement??? Finish your plate man and roll some dice!!! 
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| Kaptain_Khaos wrote: | | You know..there are some starving kids in Ethopia who would love to play warhammer and you might back out because of a hip replacement??? Finish your plate man and roll some dice!!! |
Bill, it sounds like Mark is going to be there to cheer you on
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Yea Mark!
I might still go if I can get the day off. If all slots are full, then I'll just cheerlead.
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